tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post116249419966543774..comments2024-03-20T10:47:46.434-07:00Comments on Annotated Skeptic's Annotated Bible: Neither shall he multiply wives to himself (Ex. 21:10ff, polygamy)Bruckerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-68667246327857413642020-01-21T10:37:45.448-08:002020-01-21T10:37:45.448-08:00Women, we do not have blood in our veins like men ...Women, we do not have blood in our veins like men do. We do not have a heart, soul and emotions like men do. We are just a breeding machine and a vagina to be picked, breed and fed as men feel. Nothing else! Well, if a woman kills a man, I guess that is murder, right? but if a man kills a woman its nothing, because men and women cannot commit the same sin and therefore, the same instrument (in Dianna Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15669141724327868649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-73904185928334733092019-03-06T05:38:02.986-08:002019-03-06T05:38:02.986-08:00Does God approve polygamy? Give definite answer ye...Does God approve polygamy? Give definite answer yes or no...K Verohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04851449990849215017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-87755870933058789282016-07-14T06:17:56.198-07:002016-07-14T06:17:56.198-07:00I realy enjoyed the debates. Pls, note that Paul s...I realy enjoyed the debates. Pls, note that Paul said that every man has his proper gift-I Cor.7:7. This confirms what Jesus Christ said in Matt 19:11 that All men cannot receive this saying.<br />Simply put, Monogamy is not for everybody and likewise Polygamy is not for everybody.<br />Thanks.<br />From SamsonCHRISTIAN POLYGAMISTShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06277390035200252452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-41347541533273535052014-02-09T13:16:24.281-08:002014-02-09T13:16:24.281-08:00Somehow I knew you were going to say that. I don&#...Somehow I knew you were going to say that. I don't think you've convinced me, but you've pretty well won the debate, because I can't think of anything further to say.Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-50032710166138196652014-02-09T06:27:45.345-08:002014-02-09T06:27:45.345-08:00Yew we will agree to disagree.
You make a good po...Yew we will agree to disagree.<br /><br /><i>You make a good point, but I guess I just feel that the extreme that you're suggesting seems heartless. The church is the bride of Christ, but if the church is not 100% pleasing to Christ, does he correct it, or go off and get a new bride?</i><br /><br />Christ tries to correct His bride, just as a husband should try to correct, gently, firmly and Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-55311686060197626832014-02-08T14:05:24.077-08:002014-02-08T14:05:24.077-08:00"Sort this out for yourself, feminism or God...."Sort this out for yourself, feminism or God. You can't have both. Mankind is the bride of God. Is man equal to God?"<br /><br />You make a good point, but I guess I just feel that the extreme that you're suggesting seems heartless. The church is the bride of Christ, but if the church is not 100% pleasing to Christ, does he correct it, or go off and get a new bride?<br /><br />&Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-59605085973799520412014-02-08T07:25:49.718-08:002014-02-08T07:25:49.718-08:00Consider in particular the phrase "her duty o...<i>Consider in particular the phrase "her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish." I could be wrong, but I think God is saying that if you have sex with your wife four times a week, that doesn't mean getting a second wife means you can sleep with each one twice a week; you need to keep your first wife's, ahem, "duty of marriage" at the same level. 'Nuff said.</i><Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-41647920675235615272014-02-08T06:53:47.755-08:002014-02-08T06:53:47.755-08:00"If there is war, disease or accidents, it ta...<i>"If there is war, disease or accidents, it takes three or four children per couple just to maintain the population."<br /><br />I think such problems are only truly pronounced in small societies or when wars are particularly devastating. I think you'll find that the world is doing a very good job of maintaining its population.<br /><br />"This shift is limited as long as theDavidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-46022165990258644212014-02-08T06:41:02.210-08:002014-02-08T06:41:02.210-08:00If you want to be a feminist, be by guest, but fem...If you want to be a feminist, be by guest, but feminism and Christianity are not compatible. God set up the rules that men are supposed to be in charge in a marriage. Go argue with God.<br /><br />Rules for marrying nieces or daughters did not come for another 2500 years after Creation. Eve was essentially Adam's identical twin sister (same DNA from the rib). No doubt Adam's DNA was Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-73156361505400800642014-02-07T17:03:23.416-08:002014-02-07T17:03:23.416-08:00"If there is war, disease or accidents, it ta..."If there is war, disease or accidents, it takes three or four children per couple just to maintain the population."<br /><br />I think such problems are only truly pronounced in small societies or when wars are particularly devastating. I think you'll find that the world is doing a very good job of maintaining its population.<br /><br />"This shift is limited as long as the Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-18781693056985817462014-02-07T13:57:43.040-08:002014-02-07T13:57:43.040-08:00What about the Bible? Paul teaches that church lea...What about the Bible? Paul teaches that church leaders should be “husband of one wife” indicating the rule was for clergy, not the laity. If monogamy were the rule, everyone would have no wife or one wife and Paul would instead just say church leaders should be married. Saying “one wife” indicates multiple wives were common. <br /><br />God created Adam and Eve, one man and one woman. Jewish Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-24231258714263947202014-02-07T13:49:15.236-08:002014-02-07T13:49:15.236-08:00The word polygamy refers to a marriage which has m...The word polygamy refers to a marriage which has many of one sex but only one of the other. A marriage with many men and one woman is called polyandry while a marriage with many women and one man is called polygyny. Biblically, polyandry is adultery while polygyny is not.<br /><br />Why the difference? A simple example will show the natural preference.<br /><br />Take a hypothetical deserted Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-32141123621754254352014-02-07T13:40:15.850-08:002014-02-07T13:40:15.850-08:00Monogamy changes the dynamic of the marriage. Marr...Monogamy changes the dynamic of the marriage. Marriage is a power struggle, as the curse on Eve predicted “… your desire shall be to [rule over] your husband but he shall rule over you.” Monogamy allows the woman to control sex in the marriage, and thus control her husband. In a polygamous society, most men still have only one wife but the man can always take another and this option limits the Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-11497895098937779382014-02-07T13:38:37.633-08:002014-02-07T13:38:37.633-08:00Interesting discussion.
There are two bible conce...Interesting discussion.<br /><br />There are two bible concepts that apply here – add-to (ya-saph) and multiply-to (ra-bah). Rachel bore Joseph and said “the LORD shall add to me another son” (Gen 30:24). Having children is adding, one at a time. God told Adam to “be fruitful and multiply” (Gen 1:22). If a couple has two children, they are only replacing themselves and the population does not Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-90931974859076152612014-01-08T21:33:20.306-08:002014-01-08T21:33:20.306-08:00To Anon from June: Not sure why I didn't get b...To Anon from June: Not sure why I didn't get back to your comment, perhaps it confused me, as I've never heard of a wife wanting her husband to get a second wife. I don't know what the legal status may be wherever you live, but it sounds like your husband isn't interested in such an arrangement anyway, so I'm not sure why you'd push it.<br /><br />To Anon from January: YouBruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-84095808236420248692014-01-08T20:49:33.750-08:002014-01-08T20:49:33.750-08:00To the last comment n June 2013. Wow! Uummm why do...To the last comment n June 2013. Wow! Uummm why don't u just keep having kids like the duggards.<br />On topic though. I have wrestled with this issue for years. Evidently ppl really never married for LOVE until just recently. Say the last 50-60 years. And apparently kings married to increase or make alliances with other kingdoms so it wasn't a relationship thing. So I'm wondering if Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-9867814621826977662013-06-13T06:26:12.590-07:002013-06-13T06:26:12.590-07:00Well the more I read the better I feel to whom eve...Well the more I read the better I feel to whom ever wrote<br />This article well done I grew up with a christian mother and a catholic father and have seen bad on both sides the fence ..since marrying my husband 5 years ago ive gone through many changes (coming into my own ) trying to figure out what is right for myself and my family while considering my husbands feeling (which are he needs /Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-64682004289988454182011-10-12T13:28:28.663-07:002011-10-12T13:28:28.663-07:00Thanks for your comment. Rereading this old post, ...Thanks for your comment. Rereading this old post, I'm wondering why I didn't take time within it to point out some <i>specifics</i> pertaining to troubles that Biblical polygamists had.<br /><br />While it was Sarah's idea that Abraham take Hagar as a concubine, she ends up hating Hagar, Hagar's son Ishmael, and even Abraham for the whole thing.<br /><br />In the case of Jacob, Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-11954653957339777892011-10-12T09:07:17.223-07:002011-10-12T09:07:17.223-07:00I agree with you on almost all accounts. I don'...I agree with you on almost all accounts. I don't think the Bible explicitly says that polygamy is a sin. In Jacob's case it was, because he married two sisters (Gen. 29:21-26, Lev. 18:18). Same with Solomon, for marrying an excessive number of women (Deut. 17:17). <br /><br />I like to think of it the following way:<br />Most people would probably not be able to follow this lifestyle, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-73343706520837231472010-01-27T18:59:02.355-08:002010-01-27T18:59:02.355-08:00Why not? If two can become one, why not three or f...Why not? If two can become one, why not three or four or whatever? I'm certainly not going to endorse polygamy, but I honestly don't see the Bible ever explicitly saying "no".Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-17203508248394974312010-01-27T05:47:17.563-08:002010-01-27T05:47:17.563-08:00In both the Old Testament and the New, it is clear...In both the Old Testament and the New, it is clear that God's ideal plan for man is one husband, one wife - both say that the man and woman should cleave together and the two become one flesh. Polygamy doesn't fit that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-11477855799846636802008-02-26T07:09:00.000-08:002008-02-26T07:09:00.000-08:00I'm largely with you on that one in many ways. Cul...I'm largely with you on that one in many ways. Culturally, David lived in a time when women had very few individual rights, and yes, women were treated with just slightly more respect than livestock by many people.<BR/><BR/>However, from the point of view of someone who views God as sovereign over all things, there is nothing that should worry one about the use of the verb "gave". I believe that Bruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-35946651916044440662008-02-25T18:27:00.000-08:002008-02-25T18:27:00.000-08:00I for one am disturbed by God's claim that he 'gav...I for one am disturbed by God's claim that he 'gave' Saul's wives to David. To make it worse, for me anyhow, is God saying 'if you'd wanted MORE all you had to do was say so'. This is GOD openly handing women over to somebody as if they were no more than livestock. I truly don't know what to do with this.Conspiracy2Riothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04175122946559350871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-24224522761945585712007-12-03T12:54:00.000-08:002007-12-03T12:54:00.000-08:00You make some good points. In general, let me reit...You make some good points. In general, let me reiterate what I said, that I don't believe polygamy is a sin. In specific, let me address your points one by one.<BR/><BR/>#1: I didn't claim that Deut. 17:17 is an outright ban on polygamy, but rather a matter of reasonable limitation. Even if you allow for polygamy to be legally and morally allowed, it seems to me that there is a point where you'veBruckerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08445755788968924719noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14900114.post-22288148044505047202007-12-02T07:13:00.000-08:002007-12-02T07:13:00.000-08:00Hi. I think your analysis of the Bible's position...Hi. I think your analysis of the Bible's position on polygamy is very well done. Please consider these four points:<BR/><BR/>Point 1:<BR/>Deut 17:16 in the NASB says: "Moreover, he shall not multiply horses for himself," Note that the wording of version 16 is exactly the same wording in verse 17. <BR/>If Deut 17:17 means the King is not to have more than one wife, then does 17:16 mean the King Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16199127925026847687noreply@blogger.com